Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Tue, 05 Aug 97 Volume 15 : Issue 162 Today's Topics: [*] TidBITS#391/04-Aug-97 (Q) danish characters 9500 Cache? [A] OS 8, 7100, internal CD [Q2] OS 8, 7100, Stuffit Deluxe [Q] Close applications without open windows? [Q] Defeating junk email [Q] Defeating junk email [Q] Defeating junk email [Q] Laser Printer for small pages comment Re: submissions mailing list software NoEject 1.1 breaks under 7.6.1: update available? Re submissions regarding OS* (OS8 on 7100/80av) Second, Happier Rhapsody Thoughts! Spirit CD? Summary - Monitoring Software System 8 and HP DW600 V15-#158: Desk chair recmd Windows -> Mac TrueType The Info-Mac Network operates by the volunteer efforts of: Gordon Watts, Adam C. Engst, Demitri Muna, Mike O'Bryan, Michael Bean, Matt Bauer, Liam Breck The Info-Mac Archive is available at 50 public and private sites around the world. 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Topics: MailBITS/04-Aug-97 New TidBITS Sponsor Releases Versatile MPEG Camera Macworld Expo: Planning for a Shopping Frenzy Spinning the Web Part 7: FrontPage, Fusion, and Final Thoughts [Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-391.etx; 30K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:20:03 -0600 From: larscj@vip.cybercity.dk (Lars C. Jensen) Subject: (Q) danish characters Dear MacFellows This question might have been up before, it might be mac-basics, but it=B4s really a problem to me, so I=B4ll take the chance of bother you abou= t it anyway. Almost anytime I receive an e-mail all the charaters are right including the three last of the danish alphabet. But when I send an e-mail or a reply to a newsgroup, then theese three last letters, which are special for the danish alphabet, end up in strange signs, numbers and other gibberrish when it arrives at someones mailbox - also when I send from one danish adress to another. What=B4s wrong? Thanks for any help Lars =20 ------------------------------ Date: 04 Aug 1997 11:38:06 GMT From: kayners@htan.org (Stephen J. Kayner) Subject: 9500 Cache? I recently bought a cheap 9500/132 that I plan to upgrade and use for Rhapsody DR. In the course of investigating my options for upgrades I read a tech piece on the Sonnet website that says a 50 MHz bus speed requires an L2 cache of 20 ns or faster. I had the logic board out for RAM installation and looked all over it for the soldered L2 cache, hoping to determine the refresh rate of the chips. I found two sets of two chips that looked like they might be candidates, but the last numbers (usually indicating refresh rates on memory chips) were 11 on the one and 7 on the others. This didn't clear anything up for me. I also checked all the 9500-related articles on the Apple Tech Info Library, and didn't find anything about the location or refresh rate of the L2 cache on the 9500. Does anyone out there in InfoMac land have any further information or pointers thereto? Thanks -=Steve=- ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:08:03 -0600 From: "Wayne C. Morris" Subject: [A] OS 8, 7100, internal CD Dan Lallouz wrote: >1. The one that bugs me the most is in order to listen to an audio CD, one >usually must choose Internal CD as the input source for sound In (in the >monitors and sound control panel). After doing so and getting the CD to >play music, every time the mac restarts (or starts up), I must manually go >and choose Internal CD again - it keeps defaulting to Built-in microphone. It's probably storing the setting on the hard disk, but it's getting lost due to the crashes. During the restart the MacOS sees that it wasn't properly shut down, and it cleans up anything on the hard disk that it considers to be unreliable data -- i.e., anything that it hadn't had a chance to tag as "completed" before the crash. The result is that it restores the previous settings. Try changing the setting, close the control panel, then restart your Mac BEFORE you try playing any CDs. This probably won't stop the crashing, but it should at least make the input source setting permanent. As for the crashes, have you tried removing any non-Apple system extensions or control panels, to see whether there's a conflict? Ram Doubler in particular seems to cause problems with every new version of the MacOS. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 97 17:44:35 -0500 From: "Chris Gervais" Subject: [Q2] OS 8, 7100, Stuffit Deluxe Dan, >I have a Mac 7100/80 with an Apple 1710AV monitor (it has built-in >speakers, hence AV). I made a CLEAN install of OS 8 (actually, I went for >the overkill and fully reformatted that partition first) and have found a >couple of problems: > >2. I have found that Stuffit Deluxe 4 seems to be extremely buggy with OS >8. Has anyone else replicated this? The StuffIt family of products should work OK with OS8 (I've been using OS8 for over 6 months) but there are some bugs. Supposedly Aladdin will be updating StuffIt to version 4.5 in the very near future and will probably announce it at MacWorld. Since you're on a 7100 with a 1710av monitor, you should cruise over to and pick up the latest AppleVision software (version 1.5.3 I think). There were a couple of bugs that didn't get rolled into MacOS 8 that affected the Display Manager on NuBus PowerMacs and may eliminate any problems you're having. Also, there have been many cases of weird Ofoto behavior. You should post a message to Apple's support boards. I don't know if Apple will update the s/w since a company called LightSource actually wrote it and they just bundled it with the OneScanner series. Hope this helps! Chris G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:44:01 +0100 From: "Peter Smith, Analysis" Subject: [Q] Close applications without open windows? OK, folks, you know what it is like -- I visit the Application menu and find that I've seven or eight applications still unnecessarily open. What I want is to hit a single key combination (using QuicKeys or something??) which will Close All Applications Without Open Windows. But I can't find an obvoius way of doing this (am I being dim? do I just wait for OS8 to hit the UK?? is there some simple solution???). Peter Smith Univ. of Sheffield ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:27:47 -0700 From: "Adam C. Engst" Subject: [Q] Defeating junk email At 9:48 PM -0400 8/2/97, Michael G. Schabert wrote: >>[Hope that the FTC and/or Congress apply the same rules to junk email >>that currently apply to junk FAX.] > >I disagree with this, and I doubt that it will ever be so. Fax messages >cost a business $$ because of the way business lines are billed. They also >cost because they tie up valuable phone lines. They also cost in paper >costs. Email only costs in time to read/delete. So what's your time worth? I consider mine to be worth quite a lot. And, keep in mind that many people do pay per byte or by time for their Internet access. Most may not, but enough still do that it's a real cost. cheers... -Adam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:34:30 -0400 From: "Michael G. Schabert" Subject: [Q] Defeating junk email Christian F Buser wrote: > >"Michael G. Schabert" wrote: > >> I disagree with this, and I doubt that it will ever be so. Fax messages >> cost a business $$ because of the way business lines are billed. They also >> cost because they tie up valuable phone lines. They also cost in paper >> costs. Email only costs in time to read/delete. > >This is probably only true if > >(1) you read your email in the office where the employer pays for the > connection, or > >(2) in the USA where local phone calls are free. > >In any other area of the globe, we have to pay hefty charges for using >the phone lines to connect to the ISP. Therefore, I see no difference >between a fax message and an email message. Also, Charles Kelly wrote: >This is not totally true. >It may be in the USA, but here we pay per minute that we are on the phone >line even for local calls. > >I know many providers use to charge by the minute also, I'm not sure if >that is still true, but my friend in California last March was on that kind >of program. > >Recently, I've been getting an average of 2 to 3 junk emails a day That part of my message was in response to someone's wish that the United States Congress outlaw Email SPAM. You two are saying that it's just outside the USA that has the cost problem. As far as your friend in California, to be brutally honest, there's just 2 reasons to be paying a provider per-minute: 1) ignorance 2) You use the service so little that your monthly charges are less than a regular unlimited account. Unlimited/untimed accounts can be had in every area code in the USA for less than $20/month. Also, as you undoubtedly read, I'm not pro-SPAM, & I even offered a solution that would save the user from even having to download the message from his ISP. I just don't think that it should be up to the US Congress to try to stop it. Mike Bikers don't *DO* taglines. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:52:34 +0200 From: Christian F Buser Subject: [Q] Defeating junk email "Michael G. Schabert" wrote: > I disagree with this, and I doubt that it will ever be so. Fax messages > cost a business $$ because of the way business lines are billed. They also > cost because they tie up valuable phone lines. They also cost in paper > costs. Email only costs in time to read/delete. This is probably only true if (1) you read your email in the office where the employer pays for the connection, or (2) in the USA where local phone calls are free. In any other area of the globe, we have to pay hefty charges for using the phone lines to connect to the ISP. Therefore, I see no difference between a fax message and an email message. Best wishes, Christian. -- Christian F. Buser - phone (+41-56) 426 64 86 Obere Kirchzelg 12, CH-5430 Wettingen (Switzerland) Look at ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:24:53 -0800 From: kee nethery Subject: [Q] Laser Printer for small pages I am trying to find a laser printer that can pull from a paper tray and print onto paper that is 4.25 inches by 6 inches. Was hoping that the HP5si would do it but it's minimum paper length is longer than 6 inches. Do you know of a laser printer that can feed 4.25 x 6 inch paper? Please let me know. 4.5 x 6 are the maximum dimensions for a USA postcard, before the postage gets increased to the normal first class rates. I am currently printing postcards on an HP 600 DeskWriter onto 8.5 x 11 pages and then manually cutting them into four postcards (4.25 x 5.5). Would really like to paper tray feed single pre-cut postcards to a printer but haven't found a laser printer that can take short paper. The HP 600 can paper tray single feed postcards but the paper tray doesn't hold that many postcards AND the ink cartridges are somewhat expensive given the number of postcards we print. Any suggestions? Thanks, Kee Nethery Kagi kee@kagi.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 10:21:50 -0700 From: "Brian Wessels" Subject: comment Re: submissions Yes, Kaleidoscope has moved from interesting to overkill. Creating new typefaces with Fontographer seemed to be the Mac hobbyist craze before designing K-scope color schemes. Remember the flood of new display fonts that kept coming for a few years? At least those were useful. Folks, don't expect to make your fortune designing a color scheme and demanding bucks for it. We've got at least 1000 alternatives to yours by now, and we can always design our own. Personally I think the best alternative might be to get OS 8 and the Appearance Manager, and skip Kaleidoscope. One less thing to create conflicts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:27:46 +0900 From: Tito Poza and Shari Custer-Poza Subject: mailing list software I'm interested in running a small (interest-based) mailing list and would like to know if there is any software available specifically for Mac users. I looked into list-serve software but it is only available for a variety of other platforms. I know that recently a commercial package was talked about on the Evangelist but I forgot the name of it. However, since I'm thinking of running a small (non-commercial) list, I'd rather not pay a lot for the software. ($100 or so) Any advice from those running mailing lists would be appreciated as well since I really have no idea how to do this. Thanks, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:00:04 -0800 From: Mike Blackwell Subject: NoEject 1.1 breaks under 7.6.1: update available? NoEject 1.1, which prevents your CD-ROMs and other removable media from being ejected on restart and shutdown, does not seem to work under System 7.6.1, though it was fine under 7.5.3. The last time I checked the Info-Mac archive, NoEject 1.1 was still current. Are there any updates planned for this, or alternative utilities which do the same thing? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 09:09:46 BST From: Ian.Goldby@powertech.co.uk Subject: Re submissions >Am I the only one who is finding the overwhelming number of desktop >pictures / kaliedoscope schemes TIRESOME??!!! Maybe if there was a >separate list for such submissions... It seems there are hardly any >shareware submissions anymore... > >Just a thought... > >(g. stripling) gstripling@mindspring.com No, you're not the only one. I don't mind people posting these things, but I wish they would give proper concise abstracts. Saying something is another Kaleidascope scheme doesn't give very much useful information. Waxing lyrical about how beautiful it looks is equally unhelpful. While I'm in gripe mode, here are my favourites: 1) Omitting to say what the shareware fee is. 2) Omitting to say what the program actually does. (This is unbelievably common!) 3) Forgetting to give the system requirements. (e.g. PowerMac only?) 4) Pages of hype. (E.g. "Have you ever been irritated by the Mac's lack of a telepathy feature? And how many times have you wanted to open your favourite application but been too lazy to reach for the mouse? Well, what you need is MacESP, the productivity enhancer from Clairvoyant Software...") 5) Turgid details of the development history. I'm not interested. What does it do *now*? There's probably more. How about if the moderators designed a standard form for use when submitting abstracts? BTW, I think info-mac is a brilliant service to the Mac community, and want to say thanks to all those who help in whatever way to run it. Ian. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 08:56:14 -0700 From: David Snow Subject: regarding OS* (OS8 on 7100/80av) >Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:41:23 -0600 >From: Neil Fiertel >Subject: > > regarding OS* > > I thought I would boot up fropm the OS8 CD ... on my 7100 av 80 >... crashed resoundingly with a bomb ... >Has anyone had similar experiences? I'm running OS8 on my 7100/80av right now. The CD booted fine for me, but then again, (after a full backup) I did a low-level reformat and initialized the disk before I instaled it. It's awfully hard for a CD to conflict with anything on an empty disk! I did have a couple funky installation problems, though: when I reformatted the disk, I used FWB Toolkit personal edition, and the OS8 installer would consistently hang while 'decompressing the Finder' -- that kept on happening until I re-initialized the disk with the Apple disk setup. The installer doesn't seem to like FWB drivers. I didn't need all those partition-thingys anyway. Also, when I started plugging my old extensions back into the new system, I booted with the Wacom tablet driver enabled and no tablet plugged in, and I got a bus error that required me to boot from the OS8 install disk to fix (for some reason, the spacebar wasn't pulling up the Extensions Manager. Whatever.) ---- >Am I just an unlucky camper having >been eaten by a rabid bear... er..OS or is this just one of those things? >Please Email me with observations if you can...thanks in advance. I would do a complete data back-up & re-initialize the disk before putting this OS in, down to drivers and low-level formatting... I know, it'll take a while, but it's worth it. This OS is _visibly_ faster, stable as a rock, and has a lot of useful interface enhancements. I really dig it, and I hope you have some better luck installing it. Take care... David, aka Snowman http://users.deltanet.com/~djsnow/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "A critic is someone who knows the way but can't drive the car." -- paraphrased from Kenneth Tynan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 04:41:14 +0200 From: Alex Fernández Subject: Second, Happier Rhapsody Thoughts! > When I first heard that Windows PCs would be able to run Rhapsody apps > if they had the Rhapsody-for-Windows APIs installed, I shrugged -- who > amongst Windows users were going to go out and acquire the Rhapsody API > software? And what serious commercial software vendors were going to > write their software and risk alienating their Windows customers by > putting up a message on screen that said "Sorry, in order to run this > software, you must first install the Rhapsody APIs, a set of Apple ex- > tensions that will take up some storage space, some RAM, and some pro- > cessor cycles in order to allow you to run what is basically a Mac app > on your Windows PC." >=20 > But then the other day I was poking around in Extensions Manager and > noted once again (definitely not for the first time!) how much CRUD the > installer for Microsoft Excel had dumped into my system folder. Must b= e > a dozen of 'em, Visual Basic for Apps, OLE, Microsoft this Microsoft th= at. Basically, Excel and Word install the whole inefficient bloated Windows '95 API on your System. The Windows code then needs only minor modifications to run. That's what Microsoft thinks "cross-platform development" is. > Suddenly it struck me -- hey, people who write their Windows apps using > Rhapsody / Objective C development kits aren't going to set their soft- > ware so that it balks when it sees a lack of Rhapsody APIs on a Windows > PC, nor will they ASK, they'll just install the damn things, won't they= ? > Why worry about processor cycles and whatnot? No one else does! Hey, > if your Pentium 90 can no longer run modern software, time to upgrade. > The Rhapsody APIs will be on the installation CDROMS and diskettes, in > case the PC in question doesn't already have them. Yes, developers can distribute that API for free, in the form of a set of libraries. You'll ask, 'Is that what Apple thinks "cross-platform development" is?' Wait!, the situation seems to be a bit better. The Rhapsody-on-Windows layer should be quite more efficient than the Windows-on-Mac layer that Microsoft (ab)uses. Why? It's a matter of complexity: Rhapsody will be much more streamlined than Windows, and so easier to "emulate" -- shouldn't be slower than a Visual Basic app, for example. Formally, it's similar to the PowerPC-Intel situation. The Intel processors have a very messy code, while PowerPCs have much simpler instructions (that's why they're called RISC -- Reduced Instruction Set processors). They are therefore very good at emulating Pentiums and 68k's (in jargon, both called CISC -- Complex Instruction Set processors). [Sorry, cannot remember right now what the final C in CISC stands for -- another neuron must have popped away.] That's why we can use relatively fast PC software emulators like SoftWindows or Virtual PC, while those shiny Pentiums would go slow as molasses running PowerPC code. And, if the user wants the applications to go *real* fast, they can always purchase Rhapsody for Intel and just run the *real* thing. > Suddenly this looks pretty cool. Hey, your machines can run our apps! > Sure, your machine can also run apps not written for Rhapsody but they > are harder to write, the programmers like this object-based programming > and then they can sell their apps to us, too. And to think we were > starting to worry that no one would develop for the Mac any more! One more thing: the Rhapsody API will also be available for the MacOS (that is, a Rhapsody-over-Mac layer). In case you won't install Rhapsody, you'll still be able to run the latest applications. Looks like a win-win situation! Alex Fern=E1ndez PSA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Byron C. Mayes" Subject: Spirit CD? Hello. I am trying to locate Spirit Technologies, makers of the CD driver software "Red Line CD" that came bundled with my store brand CD drive a few years back. They used to have a BBS but that number no longer works nor does their actual phone number. Their documentation oddly enough lists no e-mail and no city (thus, no snail mail), I can find no web site for them using standard search engines, and they have no forum on CompuServe. The manual for CD-ROM Toolkit lists Spirit(tm)CD as the driver for drives made by a manufacturer called "OAC" but they list no information about them, including what OAC is an abbreviation of. There is no OAC website (at least not one that's related to Mac CD-ROM drives) that I could locate via standard search engines either. I am looking for information about/from this company or its parent specifically, so suggestions of other CD driver software will not be helpful. If anyone knows even the most seemingly insignificant detail, I will greately appreciate you help. Thank you, Byron C. Mayes bcmayes@panix.com http://www.panix.com/~bcmayes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:47:55 CDT From: "Tom Kirke (312) 413-5539" Subject: Summary - Monitoring Software Howdy! I had asked about software that would require passwords and log machine use by accounts. Two products seem to dominate this area: _At Ease f/ Workgroups_ by Apple. _Fileguard_ by ASD Software. Thanks to all even if you just thought about the problem, tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 97 23:04:13 -0400 From: Richard Friedman Subject: System 8 and HP DW600 I recently installed system 8 and now can't use my HP DW 600. I get system errors and a message which says my color picture only is B&W (photoshop). I installed the latest drivers 9.2.2 and the GX driver which doesn't show in my chooser window. Any suggestions? rich RFRIEDMA@thunder.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "James G (Jim) Hardwick CPA" Subject: V15-#158: Desk chair recmd 97.08.04 1418 edt I highly recommend the Herman Miller swivel chair with arms. Be sure to get a quality wool covering, it lasts forever! My 2 cost about $500 each several years ago, not cheap. Cheap will rarely be good for your back, etc. Ask an orthopaedic surgeon for his/her recmds, if you are acquainted with one. IMHO, the best way to avoid back & other troubles is to avoid sitting for too long at a time in one position and to get some real exercise involving more than your fingers & your mind (ie, computer usage). jh ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 97 16:16:13 -0500 From: "Chris Gervais" Subject: Windows -> Mac TrueType Does anyone out there know of a shareware/freeware program to convert Windows TrueType fonts to MacOS TrueType format? I remember seeing something a long time ago, but the name of app has eluded me. TIA, Chris -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************